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Sub-Culture
Factory Records FAC 133
Produced New Order
November 1985
Tracklisting:
1. Sub-Culture
2. Dub-Vulture
3. Sub-Culture (7" Edit)
4. Dub-Vulture (7" Edit)
5. Sub-Culture (Record Mirror Exclusive Mix)
1 and 2 sourced from Rough Trade DE 45 RPM 12" RTD 023 T
3 and 4 edited from elements of 1 and 2
5 sourced and edited from an unofficial CD-R created by a certain remix service
1 - 4 EQ matched to Substance
After the brilliance of The Perfect Kiss, things went from the sublime to the ridiculous. Sub-Culture was a good, albeit flawed, song from Low-Life and an ideal choice for a single, now that the band was putting singles on albums (or would that be pulling singles from albums?) With their now-trademark sequences and riffs, the strong melody is somewhat let down by Bernard's rather poor vocal performance. While he's never been known for technical perfection, he's alarmingly off-key in this song at certain points. Evidently remixer John Robie thought so too, for he did everything he could to bury the original vocal in the 12" mix. Unfortunately, the results weren't really any improvement.
While it's customary for remixes to be jazzed-up and to focus on different elements, the 12" remix of this was pushed so far over the top that it fell back down, crashed onto the floor, and shattered into a thousand pieces. At least, that's what it sounds like. Much like a written work where every sentence ends with exclamation marks!!, there's just far too much embellishment and hardly any substance here (pun not intended). Robie hired backing vocalists to drown out Barney, and they sound very out-of-place on a New Order track. He peppered the piece with jarring orchestra hits, pointless fills, and other needless effects. The bass sequence was delayed by a sixteenth note which only adds to aural chaos, and countless abrupt jump-cut-esque edits were done, mimicking an effect which was very fashionable for about 15 minutes in the mid '80s. mid '80s. mid '80s. for aboutfor aboutfor aboutfor aboutfor aboutffffffffffrrrrforforforforforforforforforforfor for for *TIGHT!*. In essence, the A-side already sounds like a just-throw-the-two-track-in-the-blender dub version, and thus the B-side is just completely absurd, eventually decaying into a blast of solid noise.
I find this quickly gets very tiresome. Seems that just about everyone agrees, for the song was edited down to under 5 minutes for the Substance compilation, and the B-side was not included on the CD at all. Having said that, much better remixes of the song do exist, but they were never issued commercially. The R*zorm*id DJ remix service did three different versions of this song, and one of them came out on a 7" 33 RPM EP (along with three other songs by other artists) which was included as a freebie with an issue of Record Mirror magazine in the UK. I think most people will agree that this is a tremendous improvement over the absurd 12" version. The original EP sounds pretty bad due to the limitations of the format, but fortunately the R*zorm*id mixes were made available in the form of an unofficial CD-R release a few years back, so we have the RM version here in pristine quality.
One other unique thing about Sub-Culture is that it has no proper sleeve, which is quite unusual for a group and label that put so much effort into visual presentation. Allegedly, sleeve designer Peter Saville was so unimpressed with the song that he refused to create any artwork for it. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me either way. :)
I think Subculture gets a bum rap because the remixes are so jarring and over the top. However, it's one of those songs that really shines in a live context. I think the band missed an opportunity with this single. With a re-recorded vocal and more traditional/danceable mixes a la the 5th mix, this could have been a hit. While it topped the indie singles chart in the UK, it only reached #63 in the traditional singles chart.

I have to disagree. I've loved the Sub-Culture 12" from day one all the way up to today. As for the "improved" R'maid mixes? You criticize Robie for hiring back-up singers, but you let R'maid pass with inserting the near tone-deaf Deborah Iyall (of Romeo Void) as almost-co-lead singer. Tsk tsk.
ReplyDeleteI did NOT give R-maid a pass...the Iyall mix was the third of three mixes they did, and you'll notice it's not included here. ;)
ReplyDeleteMake no mistake, it's still like asking someone to pick their favorite child. It may have dated badly, but I still love it just the same.
While I mostly agree with you about the Robie remixes, I love the way Dub-Vulture ends. It's as if a lurching analogue monster has reached up to drag the overly-digital mix into its swamp. Incidentally, Dub-Vulture was included in the cassette version of Substance (as were, I believe, all the other B-sides).
ReplyDeletedub vulture was the song that moved me from teenage new order loving into music snob 20-something new order loving. i had almost forgotten about them, then i found the subculture 12" and loved it for nostalgia, but then flipped it over and flipped meself.
ReplyDeletedub vulture is an amazing work of art. it just devolves and devolves. starts as a pop song and ends as a monster.
can't stand it that most new order fans don't see the brilliance. it's a mystery
I have to say I love it. And I love that you've done this as my vinyl is well and truly knackered!
ReplyDeleteI always believed it was my perverse musical preferences, but I see I am not alone. Sub-Culture is one of my 5 favorite NO songs along with Ceremony, Thieves Like Us, 1963 and Everythings Gone Green!
ReplyDeleteI've always liked this one very much in either version. I agree that things get a bit over the top with the 12" mix but I think it has a lot going for it. For one, I think the sound quality of the mix is far superior to album version. The new bass track is an improvement over the original. The use of backing singers to pad Bernard adds some needed depth to the vocals (that said...yes, "TIGHT!" is awful and the parts where Bernard isn't singing are fairly pointless.) The Substance edit of the 12" is my favorite but the Record Mirror mix included here is nice, a great find.
ReplyDeleteI personally hated the 12"mixes, and thought that the original was one of the most striking songs they ever did... an edge of mystery to a good dance track... As you say, something went very wrong here.
ReplyDeleteBefore I start leaving my opinion on the track: A BIG THANK YOU! This blog has just been the best thing that I ever came across on the internet... I seriously love this collection (and in this quality).
ReplyDeleteYes, commenting on this post can only mean one thing: I belong to the minority of those who like this song. I have not listened to No before 2006 (which is a shame, I know... but sometimes it takes a while to grow up ;)). So, when I first got to hear Sub-Culture on Substance, I did not care much for it, because the intro and those edits were a bit annoying, the melody I liked, though.
Soon I also bought Singles and, seriously, there is nothing wrong about the 7" edit, catchy and no annoying cuts in that one.
And with everybody around the internet praising the version on Low-Life, I was actually a bit horrified by the vocals.
So, for me it is the 7" edit for sing-along value... and Dub-Vulture for enjoying the song being taken apart and exploring it bit by bit :)
I remember when I this remix first came out I was on the dancefloor at Weekends and bought it the two weeks later it was released, in fact bought two copies and still have both. Loved it from day one and in fact it's one of those remixes on my iPod that gets skipped back to after it's over. Until this remix had come out I was more of a Dreams Never End era New Order fan.
ReplyDeleteIt also pushed the boundaries of indie music being fully dance remixed. Just my 2 pence.
I have to say, the version included on 'Substance' is one of may favorite New Order songs ever, and perfectly follows 'The Perfect Kiss" in that context. I actually think that edited-down version of the 12" got it right. The 12" is a bit much. To me, that version on 'Substance' is THE definitive New Order track from the period. While I personally prefer Ceremony and a few others, if I was asked by someone who'd never heard them before to play a representative track of what New Order was about, that's probably the one I'd choose. The antiseptic dance feel to that particular edit of the song (without some of the overly fiddly bits of the 12" is classic New Order (from the perspective of an American listener anyway.)
ReplyDeleteAnd let me add to the chorus of praise for this blog. "The Perfect Kiss" sounds like a completely new song to these ears. I can't thank you enough for your work on this catalog.
Less detailed but here's a brief summary of this track on here: I've directed people across here too...
ReplyDeletehttp://thefreeeps.blogspot.com/2011/02/record-mirror-4-track-solid-ep-1986-ii.html
I have to disagree with Fifty-Pound on this one. I had been hunting Sub-Culture 12" Mix for ages. It was the track that got me into New Order. When I bought Low-Life LP, I was so disappointed by the Sub-Culture album version, couldn't believe it was so ruined. Prior to the internet age, and living outside UK, we had no idea about a singles market or why a track had multiple versions, we just thought get the album and the track is there. After all these years, I finally can seat and enjoy the 12" Version again.
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